DUST Search - Please Nerf any non AR weapons

semperfi1999 wrote:

Dj grammer wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

All non AR weapons are OP. Please see all the other threads for details as to why. Just suffice it to say that if an alternate weapon can kill an AR user, even if they must actually use tactics to do so, the alternate weapon is OP.

I think this covers, in a broad sense, the rest of the threads, but please see those for exact details.

We must not let this happen. ARs should never be challenged by any other weapon type. CCP clearly shouldn't be spending development time on non AR weapons anyway, especially because they are all OP.

So, please nerf any non AR weapons. Nerf those especially hard that have a different tactical meta as well.

coming from a fellow AR user, even our own AR's are OP. Sure I do complain about rapid fire flaylocks (which personally I would have hit the RoF and the clip size but CCP said no and went right for the damage) and shotties to the face here and there and many other things. but there are people who are very skilled at using that particular weapon of choice.

But to say an AR shouldn't be challenged by any other weapon is crazy talk by itself. (Cannot believe I am saying this) Look at Battlefield 3 and even Black Ops 2 or Real life if you prefer. ARs and LMGs is good for med to long range battle. Snipers from mid-long to very long range battles. Shotguns, pistols, explosives, and SMGs are good for close quarters and mid quarters.

In other-words, the AR is supposed to be the jack of all trades but in DUST 514 it is the master of all trades since they can do anything they want to do. Want proof as of how an AR can be OP? Look at this list:

1.) Can melt a heavy down within or less than 45/60 bullets depending on the tier of the weapon and where you are aiming at.
2.) Every weapon with the exception of explosives had a 10% weapon buff making the AR DPS even higher
3.) The most common weapon you will see used in the kill feed when the FoTM weapons are not being rampart
4.) Stack a complex damage mod (10%) along with a level 5 AR proficiency (15% percent) and the weapon buff (10%) on a basic AR, you are doing 47.31 damage per bullet. More than a freaking balac at normal stats.
5.) Not a lot of recoil and you can get away with hip-firing the weapon like crazy
6.) One of only two weapons (the other is SMGs) that obtained the sharpshooter skill

SO just because a shotgun killed you in a CQC when you are using a AR doesn't make the shotgun OP. The Shotgun should win that CQC match-up and vise versa if in a med to long range combat.

You realize with everything you just said that the scrambler is better than the AR right? It has more dmg per bullet....especially once you start adding the %bonuses it has (it only does 2 less dmg to armor but can do up to 15 dmg more to shields). Its ROF is similar, its accuracy is higher, its recoil/dispersion the same as a fully upgraded AR (and it doesnt have any recoil/dispersion reduction skills needed for this), it has more rounds per mag, it reloads in less time, overheating never comes into play with it taking 1.5 mags of continuous fire to overheat and it has a better sight for ADS.......

Yea the AR is OP Roll


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Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:37:00 - [1] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: All non AR weapons are OP. Please see all the other threads for details as to why. Just suffice it to say that if an alternate weapon can kill an AR user, even if they must actually use tactics to do so, the alternate weapon is OP. I think this covers, in a broad sense, the rest of the threads, but please see those for exact details. We must not let this happen. ARs should never be challenged by any other weapon type. CCP clearly shouldn't be spending development time on non AR weapons anyway, especially because they are all OP. So, please nerf any non AR weapons. Nerf those especially hard that have a different tactical meta as well. coming from a fellow AR user, even our own AR's are OP. Sure I do complain about rapid fire flaylocks (which personally I would have hit the RoF and the clip size but CCP said no and went right for the damage) and shotties to the face here and there and many other things. but there are people who are very skilled at using that particular weapon of choice. But to say an AR shouldn't be challenged by any other weapon is crazy talk by itself. (Cannot believe I am saying this) Look at Battlefield 3 and even Black Ops 2 or Real life if you prefer. ARs and LMGs is good for med to long range battle. Snipers from mid-long to very long range battles. Shotguns, pistols, explosives, and SMGs are good for close quarters and mid quarters. In other-words, the AR is supposed to be the jack of all trades but in DUST 514 it is the master of all trades since they can do anything they want to do. Want proof as of how an AR can be OP? Look at this list: 1.) Can melt a heavy down within or less than 45/60 bullets depending on the tier of the weapon and where you are aiming at. 2.) Every weapon with the exception of explosives had a 10% weapon buff making the AR DPS even higher 3.) The most common weapon you will see used in the kill feed when the FoTM weapons are not being rampart 4.) Stack a complex damage mod (10%) along with a level 5 AR proficiency (15% percent) and the weapon buff (10%) on a basic AR, you are doing 47.31 damage per bullet. More than a freaking balac at normal stats. 5.) Not a lot of recoil and you can get away with hip-firing the weapon like crazy 6.) One of only two weapons (the other is SMGs) that obtained the sharpshooter skill SO just because a shotgun killed you in a CQC when you are using a AR doesn't make the shotgun OP. The Shotgun should win that CQC match-up and vise versa if in a med to long range combat.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:02:00 - [2] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Dj grammer wrote: Buster Friently wrote: All non AR weapons are OP. Please see all the other threads for details as to why. Just suffice it to say that if an alternate weapon can kill an AR user, even if they must actually use tactics to do so, the alternate weapon is OP. I think this covers, in a broad sense, the rest of the threads, but please see those for exact details. We must not let this happen. ARs should never be challenged by any other weapon type. CCP clearly shouldn't be spending development time on non AR weapons anyway, especially because they are all OP. So, please nerf any non AR weapons. Nerf those especially hard that have a different tactical meta as well. coming from a fellow AR user, even our own AR's are OP. Sure I do complain about rapid fire flaylocks (which personally I would have hit the RoF and the clip size but CCP said no and went right for the damage) and shotties to the face here and there and many other things. but there are people who are very skilled at using that particular weapon of choice. But to say an AR shouldn't be challenged by any other weapon is crazy talk by itself. (Cannot believe I am saying this) Look at Battlefield 3 and even Black Ops 2 or Real life if you prefer. ARs and LMGs is good for med to long range battle. Snipers from mid-long to very long range battles. Shotguns, pistols, explosives, and SMGs are good for close quarters and mid quarters. In other-words, the AR is supposed to be the jack of all trades but in DUST 514 it is the master of all trades since they can do anything they want to do. Want proof as of how an AR can be OP? Look at this list: 1.) Can melt a heavy down within or less than 45/60 bullets depending on the tier of the weapon and where you are aiming at. 2.) Every weapon with the exception of explosives had a 10% weapon buff making the AR DPS even higher 3.) The most common weapon you will see used in the kill feed when the FoTM weapons are not being rampart 4.) Stack a complex damage mod (10%) along with a level 5 AR proficiency (15% percent) and the weapon buff (10%) on a basic AR, you are doing 47.31 damage per bullet. More than a freaking balac at normal stats. 5.) Not a lot of recoil and you can get away with hip-firing the weapon like crazy 6.) One of only two weapons (the other is SMGs) that obtained the sharpshooter skill SO just because a shotgun killed you in a CQC when you are using a AR doesn't make the shotgun OP. The Shotgun should win that CQC match-up and vise versa if in a med to long range combat. You realize with everything you just said that the scrambler is better than the AR right? It has more dmg per bullet....especially once you start adding the %bonuses it has (it only does 2 less dmg to armor but can do up to 15 dmg more to shields). Its ROF is similar, its accuracy is higher, its recoil/dispersion the same as a fully upgraded AR (and it doesnt have any recoil/dispersion reduction skills needed for this), it has more rounds per mag, it reloads in less time, overheating never comes into play with it taking 1.5 mags of continuous fire to overheat and it has a better sight for ADS....... Yea the AR is OP I did forget about the SCR didn't I? But to be more specific on which one you are talking about, you are talking about the Assault SCRs . Yea the ASSAULT SCR's CAN SHOOT 1.5 MAGS UNTIL OVERHEATING. Key word is overheating. Once an SCR overheats, which rarely happens to an assault SCR, user takes damage feedback and will have to wait on the cooldown time. I even used the ASCRs on my other account to see if I like them, which I do, but notice I said ASCR and not the regular SCR. Why? The regular SCR's are just like the TARs but balanced in their own way. Yea you can spam the living crap out of them but you will never shoot them that fast with the semi-SCRs and you will need to worry about overheating (50 damage) after shooting like what 10-15 bullets? After overheating you will need to wait a few for it to cool down. That might be the reason why I didn't include the SCR. The Semis you cannot spam making it to where you need to hit every bullet on mark before overheating versus the ASCR when you can shoot 72 plus more bullets before overheating. Honestly getting killed by an SCR is fine in my book. But my previous comment was to show him that he needed to evaluate player/self before evaluating the weapon. Just giving my .02 ISK on the situation.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.07.25 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote Trey Hardin wrote: I use ARs and i get an average amount amount of kills. The point of having the different types of weapons is to make people have to us tactics otherwise the only weapon in the game would be the AR. I don't think any of these nerf threads should even be considered legitimate options. agreed